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welcome to the skeptic Zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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[Applause]

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s

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all about the new age

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arcturian healing

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from the arcturian solar system

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oh yes

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sorry what sorry you've never heard of

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arcturian healing oh you are in for a

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treat today you can count on Adrian with

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Adrian Hill all the way from scrukem

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studios in Calgary Canada also on

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today's show we have the Trove segment

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and this will look at various cancer

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quacks cancer cures mentioned in the

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Australian newspapers over the decades

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and this was inspired by our dear friend

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Dr Siobhan O'Sullivan who you will

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remember we paid tribute to last week

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Siobhan died not so long ago from

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ovarian cancer and indeed the day before

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yesterday I attended the funeral of Dr

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Siobhan and what a moving funeral that

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tributes and eulogies was quite

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something and she was such an

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accomplished Woman My Goodness Me

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and something I didn't know

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about Siobhan is that like me she had a

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level of Dyslexia which meant that

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schooling was

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very difficult very difficult and those

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of you who with their dyslexia

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especially the sort that I have and

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Siobhan had where spelling words and

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reading can be a jumbled mess

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and remembering sequences and that sort

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of stuff despite all that she went on to

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get a doctorate and became an associate

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professor an inspiring woman indeed

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anyway I digress so the Trove segment

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does look at cancer cures and cancer

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treatment

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and as you will remember from last week

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Siobhan was very keen on promoting uh

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evidence-based medicine when it comes to

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uh helping to cure cancer but before we

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get into the show uh some news that has

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happened in the last week I'm sure you

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are all aware of and I'll tell you why

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I'm bringing up these news items

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predictions

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Australian psychic prediction project

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huge world events that happen every year

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which weren't predicted and in the last

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week alone we had that dramatic

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situation over the wreck of the Titanic

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which ended in tragedy sadly

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which gripped the world for a number of

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days and just in the last 24 hours we

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have a possible

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coup in Russia

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and that's that story is developing as I

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and it's possible with the thousands of

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people making predictions every year

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about all sorts of things somebody will

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go through and say aha look I predicted

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that but as the psychic prediction

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project showed us that yes every now and

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then people can twist what they

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predicted into something that actually

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happened but what we look for is

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consistency

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wonder what the following week will

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bring us all

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a big shout out to my teacher friends

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from around the world and I know that

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some of you are just starting a little

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break at the moment well deserved of

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course teachers work so hard so I'm

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thinking about you

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stay tuned at the end of the episode for

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more comments from me and more news I

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will add at the end of the episode but

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now it's time for me to run downstairs

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and I think it's a sort of um egg on

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toast day today will I do that I hope

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with Adrian Hill

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hello this is Adrian Hill from Skookum

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studios in Canada here to talk about

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something I had actually never heard of

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now you might think that by now the new

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age is old hat the term itself new age

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is decades old and has aged about as

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well as flared jeans according to

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Richard Saunders now Richard I have a

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pair of flared jeans I like them but

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there are still many many people out in

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the wide world for whom the new age has

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never gone out of style and of course

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there are many younger people

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discovering it every year it is fertile

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ground for business opportunities

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and this is why as skeptic Zone

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listeners know full well

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things like Mind Body Spirit festivals

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keep going on year after year there

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seems to be a never-ending succession of

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new age modalities

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now Susan gerbick asked me to watch a

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video featuring a charismatic woman

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named Brandy Khan who was introduced as

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an astrologer medium and arcturian

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healer I was unfamiliar with the term

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arcturian healer so I went to the

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internet to find some answers and there

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page called arcturians bracket new age

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on the page it says quote according to

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the beliefs of certain New Age movements

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arcturians are a very Advanced

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extraterrestrial civilization from the

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solar system of Arcturus who wish to

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the citizens of Earth they are described

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as other dimensional Advanced star

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beings arcturians are said to be loving

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communicate and work with any soul that

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currently they would guard the Earth

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help healing the planet and raise its

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involved in Earth's evolution end quote

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and after reading this I was thinking to

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myself this couldn't have anything to do

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with Khan's healing practice surely

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extraterrestrials from the solar system

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of Arcturus so I went to Khan's website

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to find out more and learned yes this

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was exactly what her healing apparently

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brandycon.com I learned that quote the

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arcturian healing method is a set of

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cosmic energies inspired by higher

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beings called arcturians from the star

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system arcturius it is a

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multi-dimensional form of healing that

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Evolution light energy and information

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are encoded within the arcturian

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frequencies this approach brings balance

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to physical emotional mental and

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spiritual subtle bodies end quote

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now according to her website prices

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start at 88 US dollars for a single

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session and go up to 440 US dollars for

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five sessions now I'm going to read out

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what each of these sessions offers and

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physical healing and rejuvenation

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spiritual uplift stress relief life path

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alignment life functioning upgrade

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energetic clearing and protection it

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higher self and is offered in

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conjunction with powerful Intergalactic

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Life activation of the 12 Petals of the

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heart chakra pineal gland activation

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stress activation of the Thunder chakra

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connection of your inner grid lines to

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the greater grid lines of the earth

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other star systems the universe and

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oh my okay let's keep going Awakening of

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belly lower Dan Tien Hera and cauldron

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activation of the

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ureas or unicorn light I did actually

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this regard and was unable to find

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anything and lastly activation of the

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soothing voice over but saying very

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welcome to your arcturian healing

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I'm your host Brandy Khan

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I invite you to sit comfortably

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take a slow deep breath

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healing services so it's definitely not

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healing method level 1 which costs 375

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the form of the arcturians in this

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arcturian healing light or AHL this is a

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meant to accelerate a person's evolution

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an energetic arcturian golden star and

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possibilities that these principles can

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do for you and others are

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information for health and healing in

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manifest or demanifest conditions learn

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to change a condition's timeline to a

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more beneficial one apply arcturian

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symbols for health and healing

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learn to create information transfers

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with healing images and symbols be given

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a specific arcturian symbol for healing

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and meditation be given a specific

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symbol to allow one to journey

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trans-dimensionally in Consciousness

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through arcturian Stargates learn to

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work with specific arcturian healing

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guides and finally learn to create

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healthy energetic boundaries

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you can use AHL as a standalone healing

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modality or combine this with your

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existing healing practice

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included in the class is a 110 Page Plus

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workbook also included is the Quantum

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spoon bending online video and Quantum

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spoon bending ebook prerequisites none

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end quote

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so I decided to take a look at how

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popular arcturian healing is on YouTube

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and there are many videos ranging from

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explanations on how it works to videos

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of sound

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most only have a few thousand views

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thank goodness but one I found had 82

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524 views as of this recording and it is

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titled quote scalar energy field to

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banish negative energies and bring in

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positive energies end quote from the

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channel called arcturian sound and

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healing energy

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and it is unbelievable that there are so

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many people that have listened to a

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whole hour of this video and here is a

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little sound bite and yes this is what

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terms like scalar energy have been a

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favorite of the new age for some time

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now and we can broadly call them word

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salad other terms used are of course

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vibrations frequencies the energy itself

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and one that is making an impact

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especially on Tick Tock at the moment

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and it's called the Schumann resonance

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but maybe that's a report for another

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day and that's all for now be sure to

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check out Susan's YouTube channel

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psychics explained where Susan and I

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analyze a talk and readings done by

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brandycon which is what inspired this

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report link is in the show notes until

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foreign

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[Music]

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Dr Harriet Hall MD known to thousands as

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the skep talk was a retired family

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physician and former Air Force flight

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surgeon who wrote about medicine

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so-called complementary and Alternative

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Medicine Science quackery and critical

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thinking

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Harriet produced a free online course of

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10 video lectures on science-based

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medicine and alternative medicine

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the videos and an accompanying course

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guide can be found by following the link

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at

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skipdoc.info or by visiting tinyurl.com

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forward slash skep doc series

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topics covered in the series are

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science-based medicine versus

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evidence-based medicine what is Cam

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Chiropractic acupuncture Homeopathy

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naturopathy and herbal medicine Energy

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Medicine miscellaneous Alternatives

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pitfalls in research and science-based

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Medicine in the media and politics

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Harriet covers each Topic in a matter of

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fact no-nonsense way that is sure to

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educate and entertain

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find it at

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tinyurl.com forward slash skep doc

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series

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[Music]

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now it's time once again to dive back

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into those pages we dive a lot there

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that's a lot you make it Splash into the

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trove.nla.gov.au of course you're

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worldwide online resource from the

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Australian government and the National

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Library of Australia who have been very

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busy very busy indeed digitizing

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thousands upon thousands of newspapers

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and journals from Australian history

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and with the sad passing of Dr Siobhan

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in the last week I thought I might look

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into the pages of Trove at various

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reports

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remedies cats and quacks that sort of

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thing because there's one thing that

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Siobhan kept in the front of her mind

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was all the quack cures and false

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promises out there when it came to

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cancer

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and we'll go right back to the year

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1933 in the pages of the work daily news

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from Queensland they did the 17th of

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June

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grave Menace

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cancer quackery drastic action necessary

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human gullibility

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Brisbane Friday the annual report of the

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cancer trust states that the treatment

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Committee of the trust Hospital hopes

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that the Queensland government will take

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early and drastic steps to deal with

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charlatans the report says that the

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hopelessness of advanced cancer together

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with human gullibility was mainly

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responsible for the prosperity of cancer

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quacks who were prepared to bleed the

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unfortunate victims of their last

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Shilling how little that things seem to

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have changed the greatest danger however

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was that these people readily undertook

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to treat cancer while it was yet to

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legitimate measures quite a curable

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disease the almost inevitable failure of

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their efforts inevitably resulted in the

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patients being relegated to the

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hopelessly incurable group

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the committee says that a campaign

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directed towards teaching people what

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forms of cancer were avoidable and how

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they could be avoided coupled with the

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emphasizing of the easy curability of

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pre-malignant conditions should

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eventually result in marked reduction in

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the cancer death rate

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concerns about quacks and Quack queers

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all the way back there in 1933

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now let's skip ahead a few years to

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1942.

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the War years and we read the pages of

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the Sun from Sydney dated the 17th of

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June

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quacks cancer remedy Perth Wednesday

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treatments prescribed to a woman for

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cancer of the nose were a compress of

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lettuce and doses of kerosene and water

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this was revealed in Perth police court

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today when William Albany Rainer was

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fined 25 pounds and 11 pounds costs for

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having held himself out as willing to

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give Medical Services or advice contrary

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to the medical Act

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Reina was described as a principle of

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the Armstrong nutrition Institute of

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Perth the judge was laid by the Western

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Australian Medical Board and Dr J.P

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Angeli said that when he examined the

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woman being treated by Reina he found

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that she had an extensive cancer of the

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nose he said that if rayna's treatment

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had continued her life would have been

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lost it would not be a murder but it

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would be close to it said Dr Ainsley the

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woman patient in evidence said the

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treatments prescribed by Rayna included

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a compressive lettuce on her nose three

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drops of kerosene in water taken

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internally once a week for three weeks

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and application of silver beet juice and

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lanolin

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the Magistas said he agreed that the

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woman was lulled into a sense of full

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security and Reina definitely gave

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medical service and advice an honest man

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would have sent her to a specialist

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now let's skip ahead a few more years to

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1949 the 3rd of September in The Argus

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from Melbourne Victoria

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build the curb cancer quackery the state

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government would legislate to prevent

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quacks from attempting to cure cancer Mr

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Oldham attorney general said last night

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a bill was being drafted and he hoped to

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be able to present it to Parliament

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Before Christmas Mr Oldham said cabinet

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was agreed that action to curb the

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activities of cancer quacks was vital in

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the interests of the people we must do

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something to stop these unqualified

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persons who boast they can cure cancer

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from practicing

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recently Health Department officers

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decided to ask the government to ban

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cancer Quacks

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and now we go ahead many decades to the

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1980s 1987 to be precise on the 10th of

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August in the Canberra times alternative

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cancer treatments

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Sydney cancer patients in Australia were

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not being told that Orthodox cancer cure

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therapies of surgery

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radiotherapy and chemotherapy were

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largely ineffective in extending life

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according to the organizer of a proposed

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seminar on alternative treatment

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this has been confirmed by a recently

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released study by the United States

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government Accounting Office which

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concluded that many so-called

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improvements in survival rates over the

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past 30 years are largely a result of

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changes in the way survival rates are

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measured Mr Don Benjamin convener of the

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cancer information and support Society

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said in a statement yesterday

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alternative cancer therapies will be the

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subject of a cancer seminar to be held

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at the ciss next month in Sydney Mr

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Benjamin said the seminar would present

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alternative methods such as a change in

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diet and lifestyle as being useful for

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both prevention and control of cancer

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the seminar will also feature several

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people diagnosed with cancer who had

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used one or more of these techniques to

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control their cancer in recent years Mr

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Benjamin said

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he said the seminar was being held

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because of the lack of proper

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information in Australia on both

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Orthodox and alternative cancer

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Therapies

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it is expected to attract more than 200

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doctors patients and cancer experts

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mainly from New South Wales

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yeah and that was in 1987 how's that

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working out for you I wonder all these

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years later

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I wonder if these people from uh 1980s

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if they suddenly traveled to 2023

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whether they would be shockingly

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disappointed or delighted that

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scientifically based medicine is

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fulfilling on its promise

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prolonging life and in many cases curing

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cancer

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and finally we'll end in the 1990s 1994

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the 21st of March in the Canberra times

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young cancer victims using alternative

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Therapies

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Sydney almost 50 percent of children

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with cancer use alternative therapies

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usually alongside conventional medicine

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a South Australian study has found

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however less than half the children's

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parents discussed the alternative

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therapies with their child's doctors a

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study published in the latest medical

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journal of Australia found

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the study of 48 children at Adelaide's

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Women and Children's Hospital found 17

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percent had positive imagery therapy

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fifteen percent had hypnotherapy 15 had

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mental imagery therapy and 10 did

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relaxation exercises

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now I've not heard of positive image

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therapy or mental imagery therapy that's

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interesting

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a few children also tried special diets

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multi and mega vitamins naturopathy

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spiritualism Faith healing meditation

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vegetable juices Chiropractic or

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homeopathy

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parents said they chose alternatives to

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give their children some control over

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their lives to assist the chemotherapy

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help the child cope with unpleasant side

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effects or because it might help but

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would not harm

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parents said therapy helped the children

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who were aged between 4 and 16 relax

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reduce pain and gave the children hope

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for the future some alternative

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therapies help children cope with cancer

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but doctors needed to know what other

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therapies were being used to avoid

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undermining the treatment one of the

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study's authors cancer expert Dr Michael

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rice said

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for example Mega vitamins with high

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doses of folic acid should not be given

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to Children receiving

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methotrexic I think that's pronounced

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for leukemia because folic acid

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interferes with the drugs action Dr Rice

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said choosing alternative therapies and

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avoiding conventional therapy would also

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risk a child's life Dr Rice said however

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Dr Rice said therapy such as

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hypnotherapy could greatly help children

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cope with the side effects of

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conventional therapy

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children

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that is just a tiny tiny tiny sampling

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of stories over the years involving

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cancer possible cancer cures cancer

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quacks alternative therapies and that

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sort of thing

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[Music]

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expression we use in this country

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sometime it comes from cricket Escape of

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cricket we say well who's got the runs

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on the board it means who scored who has

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progressed who has got the score under

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their belt I think you understand you

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could say it for a game of

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look at the school board who is scoring

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and of course we are no doubt that the

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conventional scientifically based

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medicine and treatments has the runs on

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the board and I'm afraid things like

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Homeopathy well

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[Music]

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analogy they're all out for a duck duck

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quack appropriate really

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but you can find all sorts of ducks and

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quacks and cues and all sorts of things

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when you look at the pages of Trove at

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trove.nla.gov.eu because you never know

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[Music]

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hello this is Maynard did you know that

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you can listen to the skeptic Zone on

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YouTube yes I know sounds crazy but it's

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also you can hear 40 logical fallacies

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with Michelle bigasma and funny sketches

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with Richard Saunders and a host of

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just click on the YouTube links on the

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[Music]

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thank you for listening to the skeptic

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Zone podcast this week the shortened

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version and I hope you understand it's

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been that sort of a week

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now a couple of weeks ago well maybe a

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month ago I took part in an online chat

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with my friend Kenny Biddle and the one

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and only Susan gobeck all about uh

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skepticism we had a very nice long chat

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with three of us and that was broadcast

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through the uh Center for skeptical

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inquiry and I will link to that in this

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week's show notes you can see the three

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of us chatting away about how to promote

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skepticism how to treat people and uh

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these sort of issues now who remembers

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that in the last couple of weeks

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social media and some other media have

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been going bonkers about UFOs again and

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how any day now the government

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whistleblower will um Excel you've heard

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it all before

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and

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hear it all again

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etc etc etc

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here's a short clip which I discovered

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while mindlessly looking at Tick Tock

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which I do from time to time

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I've discovered all sorts of interesting

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things on Tick Tock including origami so

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go figure anyway here's a short clip of

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author Ross coultart from Australia

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who has been really pushing this UFO

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flap lately and I'll play it for you

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here's your homework to spot the logical

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fallacy an enormous amount that Mr grush

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knows and I know you know it's really

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funny one thing that I want to emphasize

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is it's two weeks now two weeks we've

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had all the carping debunkers and all

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the Skeptics not one of them has laid a

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glove on The credibility of Mr grash and

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all he wants is the opportunity to have

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his allegations to test it what are they

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frightened of he's called their bluff if

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he's lying expose him as a liar

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if he's not lying think about the

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implications of what he's saying so

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there you are according to Ross cultart

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because we can't prove a negative

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therefore dot dot dot

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yes Ross that's very sound reasoning

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indeed I tell you what we'll sit back

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we'll have another drink and we'll wait

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for what shall we give them folks what

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shall we give the UFO Believers this

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time another year another two another

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decade

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them so far

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and as true skeptic we sit back and say

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why we don't think the UFOs are here and

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the aliens are running around of course

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we are open to evidence

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and we are still waiting for that

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evidence to change our minds but don't

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be surprised if that story is completely

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lost soon because there are other more

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important things happening but it will

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come back again

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the story will never go away

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and I hope the skeptic Zone will never

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go away and the reason it stays around

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well one of the reasons is because of

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the kind generous support from listeners

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reporter in Calgary Canada who once

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again saved my bacon did I have bacon

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when I visited you Adrian I can't

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remember I had pancakes this is Richard

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Saunders signing off from Sydney

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hello to the people who listen after the

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music for the Easter egg here it is it's

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the dice game I've got a d10 10-sided

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I'm Gonna Roll it three times in my dice

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rolling machine

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it's not a machine it's more like a

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little structure

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and uh your job is to guess or use your

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psychic prediction or cheat

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what three numbers will I roll this week

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first number coming up guess away here

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the first number this week is the number

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two

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write that down on my skeptic Zone iPad

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number two

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I mean what is it it's a six

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two and six very even numbers so far

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well four

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I get more even than that today's

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numbers are 2 6 and 4. now I'll roll two

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D tens

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and see what number we get from one to

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one hundred

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reading the first die die dies first and

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last number out of 100 is 67.

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okay dokie here we go e clicker ready

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Friday night

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can't think of anything better to do

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this is awesome all right

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Greg's taking the dog for a walk should

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be good